"Bob Officer" <bobofficers@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 0347 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
> <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bob Officer" <bobofficers@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
>>news:5rhcl419n13op8l2rd4jvqu5d6r8ql2hb7@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 1008 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
>>> <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>news:svqbl41oqlj1e9sg1rvkiigjpv4ae46dmb@4ax.co m...
>>>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 0516 GMT, "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> in
>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>>> <wlj5l.4862$cu.2812@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was a cycle, the church supported the right of kingship and
>>>>>>> royalty, the royalty supported the Church.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it was a symbiotic relationship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Church was correct. Governments were established by God. Before
>>>>>>there
>>>>>>were Govenments, they had an Eye for an Eye rule. Governments were
>>>>>>establishe mostly for keeping law and order. That doesn't mean that
>>>>>>God
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>the church approves of corrupt govenments or greedy politicians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Before you prove any god established anything prove any god even
>>>>> exists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I believe the guy who can turn 150 gallon of water into wine.
>>>
>>> I can do the same thing. Even Better I can turn Wheat,malt and hops
>>> into ale. That isn't God, it is science.
>>>
>>> David Copperfield can seem to make things disappear, too. Does that
>>> make him God?
>>>
>>> It is amazing how simple minded people can be fooled. Even more
>>> amazing how thousands of years later even more simple minded idiots
>>> will be fooled by tales and fables from these simple minded people.
>>
>>
>>Yes, you are so much more intelligent than the simple minded billions of
>>people. You are one of only a few who know the absolute truth. You don't
>>need any gods, you are smarter than any god could be.
>
> I smart enough I don't have to hide from everyone.
>
> You have to admit there is no evidence of that god in the old
> testament is any more real than the greek gods or the norse gods.
>
> The bible isn't any more accurate than any other book of myths.
>
Don't be so ignorant. The Bible is not a book, it is a library of 66 books.
That are only the books authorized by the church as suitable to be read in
church on Sunday. Then we have a lot of books like the Didache declared
authentic butonly suitable for private study. Then we have books that were
banned by the church because all or some of the contents were fictatious.
Then we have the writings of the People like Josephus. Then we have
fractions of greek manuscripts and the dead sea scrolls. Then we have
writings of early christians. Then we have traditions going back to those
early years in many countries.
If you want proof of god you find it in your own self. If you were sure that
there is no God, you would not argue, you just would not care and go on with
your life. It is your conscience that makes you argue, You try to proof to
yourself that there is no God. I have seen the same thing many times with
Christians who converted to non Christian religions.










>
> --
> Ak'toh'di

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 2001 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <beef@bbq.yum> wrote:

>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message:
>
>> Why not? I have more evidence for the existence of God than I have for
>> the
>> existence of Chom Noamsky
>
>You have absolutely diddly quat evidence. If there was evidence then
>skepticism in God wouldn't exist.

OR...........if I accept all the overwhelming evidence, why won't you??????

>If you were accused of murder, should you be presumed innocent or presumed
>guilty? Should you be required to prove your innocence, or should the
>prosecution be required to prove your guilt?

That's what I said. I have more evidence for the existence of God than I have
for the existence of Chom Noamsky.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 2154 -0800 (PST), Yap <hhyapster@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 28, 4:07*am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 1857 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <b...@bbq.yum> wrote:
>> >"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >news:k29cl4tte8uvvn8n7ls3ut94evqpp5mia3@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:00:12 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <b...@bbq.yum> wrote:
>>
>> >>>"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message:
>>
>> >>>> Chom Noamsky never existed. *Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people shared
>> >>>> his
>> >>>> live
>> >>>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>>
>> >>>Some of my ancestors weren't allowed to believe otherwise, without risking
>> >>>their lives, so it must be true.
>>
>> >> They told you that?
>>
>> >You're ready to accept ancient myths as truth without any supporting
>> >evidence, yet if I make an assertion you want validation and facts.
>>
>> Why not? *I have more evidence for the existence of God than I have for the
>> existence of Chom Noamsky

>Really?

Really!

>Whiel the evidence for Chom is that he is repling to you.

I talk to God every day.

>But can you also show us that your god is replying to all of us?

The obvious is that you don't listen to him.

> What
>would be his name, where he lives, why he need a computer, why he
>needs to communicate with you, etc.

Maybe noamsky is a ray of diffuse sunlight.




>>
>> >Funny how that works.
>>
>> Yep.
>Hypocritical duke, right?
>>
>> The Dukester, American-American
>> *****
>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> Pope Paul VI
>> *****- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message:

> Yes, you are so much more intelligent than the simple minded billions of
> people. You are one of only a few who know the absolute truth. You don't
> need any gods, you are smarter than any god could be.

Christianity gives people options: believe in Christ or be eternally damned.
The one and only unforgivable sin of Christianity is not believing in Jesus.
For that you go to hell, or whatever the bad place is supposed to be.
Pretty good way to coerce billions of people to follow a common belief
system... exploit fear. Not to mention the incredible powers it gives those
at the top.

"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob Officer" <bobofficers@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
> news:3n3el49o9j5c9s0dqamb17ijh6n1m3r13b@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 0347 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
>> <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bob Officer" <bobofficers@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
>>>news:5rhcl419n13op8l2rd4jvqu5d6r8ql2hb7@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 1008 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
>>>> <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>>news:svqbl41oqlj1e9sg1rvkiigjpv4ae46dmb@4ax.c om...
>>>>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 0516 GMT, "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> in
>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>>>> <wlj5l.4862$cu.2812@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was a cycle, the church supported the right of kingship and
>>>>>>>> royalty, the royalty supported the Church.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it was a symbiotic relationship.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Church was correct. Governments were established by God. Before
>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>were Govenments, they had an Eye for an Eye rule. Governments were
>>>>>>>establishe mostly for keeping law and order. That doesn't mean that
>>>>>>>God
>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>the church approves of corrupt govenments or greedy politicians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before you prove any god established anything prove any god even
>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe the guy who can turn 150 gallon of water into wine.
>>>>
>>>> I can do the same thing. Even Better I can turn Wheat,malt and hops
>>>> into ale. That isn't God, it is science.
>>>>
>>>> David Copperfield can seem to make things disappear, too. Does that
>>>> make him God?
>>>>
>>>> It is amazing how simple minded people can be fooled. Even more
>>>> amazing how thousands of years later even more simple minded idiots
>>>> will be fooled by tales and fables from these simple minded people.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, you are so much more intelligent than the simple minded billions of
>>>people. You are one of only a few who know the absolute truth. You don't
>>>need any gods, you are smarter than any god could be.
>>
>> I smart enough I don't have to hide from everyone.
>>
>> You have to admit there is no evidence of that god in the old
>> testament is any more real than the greek gods or the norse gods.
>>
>> The bible isn't any more accurate than any other book of myths.
>>
> Don't be so ignorant. The Bible is not a book, it is a library of 66
> books. That are only the books authorized by the church as suitable to be
> read in church on Sunday. Then we have a lot of books like the Didache
> declared authentic butonly suitable for private study. Then we have books
> that were banned by the church because all or some of the contents were
> fictatious. Then we have the writings of the People like Josephus. Then we
> have fractions of greek manuscripts and the dead sea scrolls. Then we have
> writings of early christians. Then we have traditions going back to those
> early years in many countries.
> If you want proof of god you find it in your own self. If you were sure
> that there is no God, you would not argue, you just would not care and go
> on with your life. It is your conscience that makes you argue, You try to
> proof to yourself that there is no God. I have seen the same thing many
> times with Christians who converted to non Christian religions.

Early pagan literature was also simply destroyed by Christians. Who knows
how much real history has been lost due to the contempt of the church for
everything not Christian.