"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message:

> Faith that there are realy such tests and that there is such evidence.
> You don't test milk before you drink it.
> You have faith in others that they do the right thing.
> You can't be certain that your car is save.
> You have faith in the mechanic and believe what he tells you.
> That's what life is like.
> You hope that you wake up tomorrow morning. But there is no guarantee.

It's highly probable your milk is safe to drink because industry regulators
oversee the market and product quality issues. We have such institutions in
place becasue we DO NOT have faith. If we had faith in the safety of milk
products we would give the industry complete freedom to regualte itself.
But we don't, because consumers want reasonable assurances that they
products they consume are safe. Lack of faith and industry oversight is
what gives you a reasonable expectation of quality product.

Same goes for cars and mechanics. There are entire government departments
in Canada devoted to transportation safety, because the citizens DO NOT have
faith in the transportation industry to regulate itself.

As for having "faith in others that they do the right thing", when they
don't do the right thing there are courts of law to deal with that.

You see, all the things you consider matters of faith are actually being
managed and regulated for you by people who have no faith.

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message:

> Why not? I have more evidence for the existence of God than I have for
> the
> existence of Chom Noamsky

You have absolutely diddly quat evidence. If there was evidence then
skepticism in God wouldn't exist.

If you were accused of murder, should you be presumed innocent or presumed
guilty? Should you be required to prove your innocence, or should the
prosecution be required to prove your guilt?

"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message:

> I believe the guy who can turn 150 gallon of water into wine.

Accounts of turning water into wine have been found in mythologies that
predate Jesus. In particular, the Dionysus was said to be able to turn
water into wine (he was the god of wine after all). It was also a trick
used by priests to make people believe they had supernatural powers. They
made trick devices where they could pour water into one end and wine came
out the other. I imagine a bit of clever plumbing could do that. There is
very little about Jesus' character that can't be found in earlier
mytholgies.

"Galen Hekhuis" <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote in message:
> I've got a red letter edition of the Bible. It has every word that
> Jesus spoke in red. If Jesus never existed, where did all those red
> words in the New Testament come from?

Simple quotation marks would be just as useful, would they not?

Nobody could be so stupid as to believe colouring words red makes them
authentic... surely you must be having me on.

"Bob Officer" <bobofficers@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 1008 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
> <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>news:svqbl41oqlj1e9sg1rvkiigjpv4ae46dmb@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 0516 GMT, "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> in
>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>> <wlj5l.4862$cu.2812@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a cycle, the church supported the right of kingship and
>>>>> royalty, the royalty supported the Church.
>>>>>
>>>>> it was a symbiotic relationship.
>>>>
>>>>The Church was correct. Governments were established by God. Before
>>>>there
>>>>were Govenments, they had an Eye for an Eye rule. Governments were
>>>>establishe mostly for keeping law and order. That doesn't mean that God
>>>>or
>>>>the church approves of corrupt govenments or greedy politicians.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Before you prove any god established anything prove any god even
>>> exists.
>>
>>
>>I believe the guy who can turn 150 gallon of water into wine.
>
> I can do the same thing. Even Better I can turn Wheat,malt and hops
> into ale. That isn't God, it is science.
>
> David Copperfield can seem to make things disappear, too. Does that
> make him God?
>
> It is amazing how simple minded people can be fooled. Even more
> amazing how thousands of years later even more simple minded idiots
> will be fooled by tales and fables from these simple minded people.


Yes, you are so much more intelligent than the simple minded billions of
people. You are one of only a few who know the absolute truth. You don't
need any gods, you are smarter than any god could be.




>
>
> --
> Ak'toh'di

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 0347 +0000, HD wrote:

> "Bob Officer" <bobofficers@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
> news:5rhcl419n13op8l2rd4jvqu5d6r8ql2hb7@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 1008 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
>> <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>news:svqbl41oqlj1e9sg1rvkiigjpv4ae46dmb@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 0516 GMT, "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> in
>>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>> <wlj5l.4862$cu.2812@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> It was a cycle, the church supported the right of kingship and
>>>>>> royalty, the royalty supported the Church.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it was a symbiotic relationship.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Church was correct. Governments were established by God. Before
>>>>>there
>>>>>were Govenments, they had an Eye for an Eye rule. Governments were
>>>>>establishe mostly for keeping law and order. That doesn't mean that
>>>>>God or
>>>>>the church approves of corrupt govenments or greedy politicians.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Before you prove any god established anything prove any god even
>>>> exists.
>>>
>>>
>>>I believe the guy who can turn 150 gallon of water into wine.
>>
>> I can do the same thing. Even Better I can turn Wheat,malt and hops
>> into ale. That isn't God, it is science.
>>
>> David Copperfield can seem to make things disappear, too. Does that
>> make him God?
>>
>> It is amazing how simple minded people can be fooled. Even more amazing
>> how thousands of years later even more simple minded idiots will be
>> fooled by tales and fables from these simple minded people.
>
>
> Yes, you are so much more intelligent than the simple minded billions of
> people. You are one of only a few who know the absolute truth. You don't
> need any gods, you are smarter than any god could be.

Well, he doesn't hide as well as God does . . . that's for certain,
'cause if there's one thing God is good at, it's hiding.

--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
-- Mark Twain

On Dec 27, 6:17*pm, "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote in message
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> > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 0516 GMT, "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> in
> > alt.abortion with message-id
> > <wlj5l.4862$cu.2...@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> >>> It was a cycle, the church supported the right of kingship and
> >>> royalty, the royalty supported the Church.
>
> >>> it was a symbiotic relationship.
>
> >>The Church was correct. Governments were established by God. Before there
> >>were Govenments, they had an Eye for an Eye rule. Governments were
> >>establishe mostly for keeping law and order. That doesn't mean that Godor
> >>the church approves of corrupt govenments or greedy politicians.
>
> > Before you prove any god established anything prove any god even
> > exists.
>
> I believe the guy who can turn 150 gallon of water into wine.
Yes, but wine come from water, grapes and yeast.
Your god comes from?
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> > should
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On Dec 28, 2:46*am, "Chom Noamsky" <b...@bbq.yum> wrote:
> "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
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> > On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:00:12 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <b...@bbq.yum> wrote:
>
> >>"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message:
>
> >>> Chom Noamsky never existed. *Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people shared
> >>> his
> >>> live
> >>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>
> >>Some of my ancestors weren't allowed to believe otherwise, without risking
> >>their lives, so it must be true.
>
> > They told you that?
>
> You're ready to accept ancient myths as truth without any supporting
> evidence, yet if I make an assertion you want validation and facts.
>
> Funny how that works.

It is called Duke Hypocrisy....

On Dec 28, 4:07*am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 1857 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <b...@bbq.yum> wrote:
> >"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:k29cl4tte8uvvn8n7ls3ut94evqpp5mia3@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:00:12 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <b...@bbq.yum> wrote:
>
> >>>"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message:
>
> >>>> Chom Noamsky never existed. *Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people shared
> >>>> his
> >>>> live
> >>>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>
> >>>Some of my ancestors weren't allowed to believe otherwise, without risking
> >>>their lives, so it must be true.
>
> >> They told you that?
>
> >You're ready to accept ancient myths as truth without any supporting
> >evidence, yet if I make an assertion you want validation and facts.
>
> Why not? *I have more evidence for the existence of God than I have forthe
> existence of Chom Noamsky
Really?
Whiel the evidence for Chom is that he is repling to you.
But can you also show us that your god is replying to all of us? What
would be his name, where he lives, why he need a computer, why he
needs to communicate with you, etc.
>
> >Funny how that works.
>
> Yep.
Hypocritical duke, right?
>
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On Dec 28, 11:52*am, "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "Bob Officer" <boboffic...@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 1008 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
> > <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >>"Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote in message
> >>news:svqbl41oqlj1e9sg1rvkiigjpv4ae46dmb@4ax.com. ..
> >>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 0516 GMT, "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> in
> >>> alt.abortion with message-id
> >>> <wlj5l.4862$cu.2...@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> >>>>> It was a cycle, the church supported the right of kingship and
> >>>>> royalty, the royalty supported the Church.
>
> >>>>> it was a symbiotic relationship.
>
> >>>>The Church was correct. Governments were established by God. Before
> >>>>there
> >>>>were Govenments, they had an Eye for an Eye rule. Governments were
> >>>>establishe mostly for keeping law and order. That doesn't mean that God
> >>>>or
> >>>>the church approves of corrupt govenments or greedy politicians.
>
> >>> Before you prove any god established anything prove any god even
> >>> exists.
>
> >>I believe the guy who can turn 150 gallon of water into wine.
>
> > I can do the same thing. Even Better I can turn Wheat,malt and hops
> > into ale. That isn't God, it is science.
>
> > David Copperfield can seem to make things disappear, too. Does that
> > make him God?
>
> > It is amazing how simple minded people can be fooled. Even more
> > amazing how thousands of years later even more simple minded idiots
> > will be fooled by tales and fables from these simple minded people.
>
> Yes, you are so much more intelligent than the simple minded billions of
> people. You are one of only a few who know the absolute truth. You don't
> need any gods, you are smarter than any god could be.
See, now you admit your god to be stupid, good.
Your god did all those thing indirectly through the hands of human
really must have pissed you off, right?
Stupid god that is....
>
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