"Bob Officer" <bobofficers@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 1429 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
> <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:gj2lko$a41$1@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> In article <btl9l41ejrisjgu753cgaltuoodjgffaq5@4ax.com>,
>>> Bob Officer <bobofficer@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 1211 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
>>>><herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chom Noamsky" <beef@bbq.yum> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Mp_4l.950$%v1.844@edtnps83...
>>>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chom Noamsky never existed. Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people
>>>>>>> shared
>>>>>>> his live
>>>>>>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of my ancestors weren't allowed to believe otherwise, without
>>>>>> risking
>>>>>> their lives, so it must be true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Have you any evidence of that?
>>>>
>>>>That the Christian religion has executed people for failure to follow
>>>>or believe its Dogma?
>>>>
>>>>Take one of the Dogmatic beliefs espoused the church. The Divine
>>>>Right of Kings. Examine it and count the number of people killed to
>>>>force the rule upon the people.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, that's so-called followers claiming to be Christian.
>>
>>Not even that. It were kings who abused their power just like politicians
>>do
>>today.
>
> Often with the blessing of the church which stated the kings were put
> in place by god. The church even cited Saul of tarsu' writing to
> justify it.
>
> It was a cycle, the church supported the right of kingship and
> royalty, the royalty supported the Church.
>
> it was a symbiotic relationship.

The Church was correct. Governments were established by God. Before there
were Govenments, they had an Eye for an Eye rule. Governments were
establishe mostly for keeping law and order. That doesn't mean that God or
the church approves of corrupt govenments or greedy politicians.



>
>>
>>>
>>>>>It is interesting the things that people want to believe if they don't
>>>>>want
>>>>>to believe in God.
>>>>
>>>>God is an invention of man. We have the best gods that the weakest
>>>>could invent.
>>>
>>> Communist.
>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Ak'toh'di
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Member - Liberal International
>>> This is doctor@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@nl2k.ab.ca
>>> God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
>>> Merry Christmas 2008 NOT 2o8 and Happy New Year 2009 NOT 2o9
>>
>
> --
> Ak'toh'di

On Dec 26, 8:19*am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <btl9l41ejrisjgu753cgaltuoodjgff...@4ax.com>,
> Bob Officer *<boboffi...@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 1211 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
> ><her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >>"Chom Noamsky" <b...@bbq.yum> wrote in message
> >>news:Mp_4l.950$%v1.844@edtnps83...
> >>> "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message:
>
> >>>> Chom Noamsky never existed. *Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people shared
> >>>> his live
> >>>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>
> >>> Some of my ancestors weren't allowed to believe otherwise, without risking
> >>> their lives, so it must be true.
>
> >>Have you any evidence of that?
>
> >That the Christian religion has executed people for failure to follow
> >or believe its Dogma?
>
> >Take one of the Dogmatic beliefs espoused the church. The Divine
> >Right of Kings. Examine it and count the number of people killed to
> >force the rule upon the people.
>
> Nope, that's so-called followers claiming to be Christian.

Ahh. Now my holiday is complete. I just can't sleep at night this time
of year without the sound of bagpipes echoing `from glen to glen, and
down the mountain side'.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/notruescotsman.html

Buy a clue, dude. To those of us who don't share your superstitions,
anybody that prays to "Christ" is a "Christian". You guys *really*
need to decide among yourselves what or who may or may not be one
before your spill your prattle into conversations meant for folks
who've outgrown that shit.

> >>It is interesting the things that people want to believe if they don't want
> >>to believe in God.
>
> >God is an invention of man. We have the best gods that the weakest
> >could invent.
>
> Communist.

As was your "Jesus", per your "Bible".

Acts2, 42-47:

2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and
fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were
done by the apostles.
2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men,
as every man had need.
2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and
breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness
and singleness of heart,
2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord
added to the church daily such as should be saved.

HTH.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain

Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html

"Rudy Canoza" <pipes@thedismalscience.noot> wrote in message
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> HD wrote:
>> "Bob Officer" <bobofficers@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
>> news:btl9l41ejrisjgu753cgaltuoodjgffaq5@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 1211 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
>>> <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Chom Noamsky" <beef@bbq.yum> wrote in message
>>>> news:Mp_4l.950$%v1.844@edtnps83...
>>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chom Noamsky never existed. Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people
>>>>>> shared
>>>>>> his live
>>>>>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>>>>> Some of my ancestors weren't allowed to believe otherwise, without
>>>>> risking
>>>>> their lives, so it must be true.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Have you any evidence of that?
>>> That the Christian religion has executed people for failure to follow
>>> or believe its Dogma?
>>>
>>> Take one of the Dogmatic beliefs espoused the church. The Divine
>>> Right of Kings. Examine it and count the number of people killed to
>>> force the rule upon the people.
>>>
>>>> It is interesting the things that people want to believe if they don't
>>>> want
>>>> to believe in God.
>>> God is an invention of man. We have the best gods that the weakest
>>> could invent.
>>
>>
>> But you have no evidence that it is so. It is only something that you
>> believe.
>
> He, and others, believe it because of the lack of evidence for the
> alternative. There is no evidence that 'god' exists; but people believe
> in 'god'. Therefore, it is at least plausible to think that people
> invented 'god', i.e., the notion of 'god'. The same is true for all kinds
> of fantastical things: unicorns, the tooth fairy, the devil.

A Child has no prove that his mother will love him. A man has no prove that
his wife is Faithful. A driver only believes that he will arrive savely, A
Farmer has faith that his crop will grow. You elect a president and believe
that he will be good for the country. You buy food and have faith that it is
save to eat.
Your whole life is full of faith and believes with only a few things being
certain.
Life is like that.

"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 0516 GMT, "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> in
> alt.abortion with message-id
> <wlj5l.4862$cu.2812@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> It was a cycle, the church supported the right of kingship and
>>> royalty, the royalty supported the Church.
>>>
>>> it was a symbiotic relationship.
>>
>>The Church was correct. Governments were established by God. Before there
>>were Govenments, they had an Eye for an Eye rule. Governments were
>>establishe mostly for keeping law and order. That doesn't mean that God or
>>the church approves of corrupt govenments or greedy politicians.
>>
>>
>
> Before you prove any god established anything prove any god even
> exists.


I believe the guy who can turn 150 gallon of water into wine.



>
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>
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> No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
> Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
>
> Support H.R. 1940: Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007
>
> Any organizations with any of the following words or phrases in their name
> should
> be avoided at all costs:
>
> Catholic League
> Decency
> Family - Other than Fmily Planing
> Faith Based
> Justice Institute
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> Values

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 1553 -0800 (PST), RedDog <faggotfuckwit@budweiser.com>
wrote:

>On Dec 25, 11:35 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 2014 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <b...@bbq.yum> wrote:
>> >Some great viewing over the holiday season! One of the greatest exeriments
>> >in social engineering gets exposed.
>>
>> >http://www.thegodmovie.com/
>>
>> Chom Noamsky never existed. Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people shared his live
>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>>
>
>You stupid little piece of shit.

Thank you, red dog. Now you can go to confession and ask God for his
forgiveness.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:00:12 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <beef@bbq.yum> wrote:

>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message:
>
>> Chom Noamsky never existed. Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people shared his
>> live
>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>
>Some of my ancestors weren't allowed to believe otherwise, without risking
>their lives, so it must be true.

They told you that?

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

"Bob Officer" <bobofficers@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 0859 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
> <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>"Rudy Canoza" <pipes@thedismalscience.noot> wrote in message
>>news:i4WdnVczn7Djj8jUnZ2dnUVZ_tTinZ2d@earthlink. com...
>>> HD wrote:
>>>> "Bob Officer" <bobofficers@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
>>>> news:btl9l41ejrisjgu753cgaltuoodjgffaq5@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 1211 GMT, in alt.abortion, "HD"
>>>>> <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chom Noamsky" <beef@bbq.yum> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Mp_4l.950$%v1.844@edtnps83...
>>>>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chom Noamsky never existed. Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people
>>>>>>>> shared
>>>>>>>> his live
>>>>>>>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>>>>>>> Some of my ancestors weren't allowed to believe otherwise, without
>>>>>>> risking
>>>>>>> their lives, so it must be true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you any evidence of that?
>>>>> That the Christian religion has executed people for failure to follow
>>>>> or believe its Dogma?
>>>>>
>>>>> Take one of the Dogmatic beliefs espoused the church. The Divine
>>>>> Right of Kings. Examine it and count the number of people killed to
>>>>> force the rule upon the people.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is interesting the things that people want to believe if they
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to believe in God.
>>>>> God is an invention of man. We have the best gods that the weakest
>>>>> could invent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But you have no evidence that it is so. It is only something that you
>>>> believe.
>>>
>>> He, and others, believe it because of the lack of evidence for the
>>> alternative. There is no evidence that 'god' exists; but people believe
>>> in 'god'. Therefore, it is at least plausible to think that people
>>> invented 'god', i.e., the notion of 'god'. The same is true for all
>>> kinds
>>> of fantastical things: unicorns, the tooth fairy, the devil.
>>
>
> This is really a disjointed thought process going on here, isn't it?
> Look at HD's Reply:
>
>
>>A Child has no prove that his mother will love him.
>
> Love is a emotion.
>
>>A man has no prove that his wife is Faithful.
>
> Fidelity is condition. What is telling is the fact you used the
> terminology that a "man" is concerned about his "wife" and not using
> generic terms of spouse/mate.
>
>>A driver only believes that he will arrive savely,
>
> I don't believe. I hope. I also depend on keeping my vehicle i good
> working condition, pick safest route, drive with due caution.
>
>>A Farmer has faith that his crop will grow.
>
> Odd, I know lots of farmers. They do their best and understand the
> gamble and play the odds by growing crops which are right for the
> climate.
>
>>You elect a president and believe that he will be good for the country.
>
> Or les harmful. Many people pay only attention to the party, or vote
> the lesser of two evils. I find your statement inaccurate at best.
>
>
>>You buy food and have faith that it is save to eat.
>
> No, I depend on the government to correctly apply the inspections and
> quality controls under the law. It is when the Government withdraw
> enforcement of mandated inspection and Quality control that people
> get sick from their food. I have little faith in un-inspected foods
> and in the last 8 years under the republican hands off inspection
> plan, many american's have found themselves sick and dying from bad
> food.
>
>
>>Your whole life is full of faith and believes with only a few things being
>>certain.
>
> Faith is for fools. Evidence of inspections, quality controls and
> testing is what life is about. Even little children learn to test the
> waters for themselves before they trust other people at their word.
>
>>Life is like that.
>
> Like what? Tests? Evidence?

Faith that there are realy such tests and that there is such evidence.
You don't test milk before you drink it.
You have faith in others that they do the right thing.
You can't be certain that your car is save.
You have faith in the mechanic and believe what he tells you.
That's what life is like.
You hope that you wake up tomorrow morning. But there is no guarantee.







>
>
>
> --
> Ak'toh'di

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:00:12 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <beef@bbq.yum> wrote:
>
>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message:
>>
>>> Chom Noamsky never existed. Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people shared
>>> his
>>> live
>>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>>
>>Some of my ancestors weren't allowed to believe otherwise, without risking
>>their lives, so it must be true.
>
> They told you that?

You're ready to accept ancient myths as truth without any supporting
evidence, yet if I make an assertion you want validation and facts.

Funny how that works.

> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message:
> A Child has no prove that his mother will love him. A man has no prove
> that his wife is Faithful. A driver only believes that he will arrive
> savely, A Farmer has faith that his crop will grow. You elect a president
> and believe that he will be good for the country. You buy food and have
> faith that it is save to eat.
> Your whole life is full of faith and believes with only a few things being
> certain.
> Life is like that.

You can validate the existence of your mother, your wife, the vehicle you
are driving, the president, a farmer's crop or lack of crop, and even your
wife's boyfriend (if you suspect she has one). Nobody can validate the
existence of Jesus Christ.

I hold many personal beliefs myself, the vast majority of them are only
relevant to me, whereas belief in Christianity affects everyone. Christians
often become powerful politicians and make policy based on religious belief,
like opposing stem cell research, which could cure devastating diseases and
have immeasurable benefits for mankind. Some believe that nuclear
armageddon is necessary in order to fulfill biblical prophecy and the second
coming of Christ.

Ancient susperstitious beliefs should have absolutely no place in sane
public policy making.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 1857 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <beef@bbq.yum> wrote:

>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:k29cl4tte8uvvn8n7ls3ut94evqpp5mia3@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:00:12 GMT, "Chom Noamsky" <beef@bbq.yum> wrote:
>>
>>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> Chom Noamsky never existed. Jesus the Christ did - 500+ people shared
>>>> his
>>>> live
>>>> in the 40 days after his resurrection.
>>>
>>>Some of my ancestors weren't allowed to believe otherwise, without risking
>>>their lives, so it must be true.
>>
>> They told you that?
>
>You're ready to accept ancient myths as truth without any supporting
>evidence, yet if I make an assertion you want validation and facts.

Why not? I have more evidence for the existence of God than I have for the
existence of Chom Noamsky

>Funny how that works.

Yep.


The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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