On Dec 27, 6:20*pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
>
> > computerram...@cooltoad.com wrote:
>
> > > is 2gb of ram is just as good as 4gb.
>
> > * *More proof that VISTA is dumbing down computer users. If you have to
> > ask a question like that you are too stupid to own a computer.
>
> Its actually a very good question WRT Vista. A friend of mine (one of
> the few I have left) bought a new Vista machine spec'd with 4Gb or RAM.
> The BIOS detected 4Gb, but Vista could only see 2Gb. So, in this case,
> 2Gb IS just as good as 4Gb.
>
> Your answer should have been, "If you've bought Vista, you are too
> stupid to own a computer".
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian * * mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students.

I assume this is 32 bit Vista. It should see 4G, so something is
wrong.

On Dec 27, 8:04*am, computerram...@cooltoad.com wrote:
> is 2gb of ram is just as good as 4gb.

Of course not. More is more up to a point. Photoshop for sure can get
more RAM in a 4Gbyte environment, though note that it is a 32 bit
program. I think photoshop will use about 3.2Gbytes of RAM under 32
bit windows.

<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/
aa366778.aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_vista >
The link above is the roadmap.

I run X64, so I can't speak for the cheap 32 bit vista, but they claim
it does 4G. Note that you need a motherboard capable of loading all
it's resources into the high part of RAM. This is generally called a
memory remap.

For a new machine, you should get 64 bit vista and use 8Gbytes. More
mobos can do 16Gbtyes, but that is getting expensive.

On my 4Gbyte PC (a few years old, so 4G cost money), I have about
1.4Gbytes free. I have Firefox is by far the biggest memory hog
running. Google earth is next.

On Dec 28, 2:04*am, computerram...@cooltoad.com wrote:
> is 2gb of ram is just as good as 4gb.

1.5 years ago, I was assembling a gaming computer. 1GB of RAM was
enough for gaming, in my opinion. But I put 2 GB just in case, as
memory was relatively cheap. I have never used full 2GB of memeory in
my use of the computer yet. I do not run Vista, I have XP.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 1928 -0800 (PST), the renowned
"miso@sushi.com" <miso@sushi.com> wrote:

>On Dec 27, 6:20*pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
>>
>> > computerram...@cooltoad.com wrote:
>>
>> > > is 2gb of ram is just as good as 4gb.
>>
>> > * *More proof that VISTA is dumbing down computer users. If you have to
>> > ask a question like that you are too stupid to own a computer.
>>
>> Its actually a very good question WRT Vista. A friend of mine (one of
>> the few I have left) bought a new Vista machine spec'd with 4Gb or RAM.
>> The BIOS detected 4Gb, but Vista could only see 2Gb. So, in this case,
>> 2Gb IS just as good as 4Gb.
>>
>> Your answer should have been, "If you've bought Vista, you are too
>> stupid to own a computer".
>>
>> --
>> Paul Hovnanian * * mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students.
>
>I assume this is 32 bit Vista. It should see 4G, so something is
>wrong.

Some of the address space is used for memory mapped hardware. I don't
think I've seen more than about 3G available in a system with 4G RAM
and a 32-bit O/S.

I am hoping that 64-bit Windows 7 will be available relatively soon,
since I'm running into RAM limitations, and I'd like to dedicate a
fairly fast machine with 32G or so of RAM to running such programs
(and avoid Vista64-- already seen a ton of problems with running XP64
general purpose, hence the dedicated machine). A fast machine with 32G
of RAM is still cheap compared to some of the engineering softare
(Matlab, FEA, CFD type stuff).


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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"Antonio Huerta" <ahuerta@inbox.com> wrote in message
news:3759066f-ff7f-493e-9198-0930128b9fed@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
> 1.5 years ago, I was assembling a gaming computer. 1GB of RAM was
> enough for gaming, in my opinion. But I put 2 GB just in case, as
> memory was relatively cheap. I have never used full 2GB of memeory in
> my use of the computer yet. I do not run Vista, I have XP.

I have a Compaq 8510w with 2GB memory. The only time I've seen it use
anywhere near that (800MB or so I think) was after running numerous
simulations in Multisim. It seems they didn't think to delete old data
(simulation results, waveforms, etc.), or at least flush it to disk instead
of keeping it in memory all the time (either that, or it's got one big
fucking memory leak). Which wouldn't surprise me; this much memory usage
only happens rarely, because it usually crashes sooner...

Tim

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